Wikipedia:Haus bilong toktok/Archive 2

Long Wikipedia
Go stret long: ol bikpela pes, painim

Bot request for User:Byrialbot

Hello! Sorry for not speaking Tok Pisin. I ask for a bot flag for my interwiki bot Byrialbot so it will not fill the recent changes page with interwiki updates.

  • Bot account: User:Byrialbot (contributions)
  • Botmaster: User:Byrial
  • Botmaster's home project: da:User:Byrial
  • List of botflags on other wikipedias: als:, am:, an:, ang: ar:, arc:, ast:, az:, bat-smg:, be:, be-x-old:, bg:, bm:, bn:, bs:, bpy:, ca:, cdo:, ce:, ceb:, co:, cs:, cv:, cy:, da:, de:, dv:, el:, en:, eo:, es:, et:, fa:, ff:, fi:, fo:, fr:, frp:, fur:, fy:, ga:, gd:, gl:, he:, hi:, hr:, hsb:, hu:, hy:, ia:, id:, ie:, ig:, ilo:, io:, is:, it:, iu:, ja:, jv:, ka:, kk:, kl:, kn:, ksh:, ku:, kw:, la:, lb:, li:, ln:, lt:, lv:, mi:, mk:, ml:, mr:, ms:, nah:, nap:, nds:, nds-nl:, nl:, nn:, no:, nov:, nrm:, oc:, os:, pam:, pdc:, pms:, pt:, qu:, ro:, ru:, ru-sib: scn:, sco:, sh:, simple:, sk:, sl:, sm:, sq:, sr:, su:, sv:, sw:, ta:, te:, tg:, th:, tk:, tl:, tt:, uk:, ur:, uz:, vec:, vi:, vls:, vo:, war:, wo:, zea:, zh-classical:, zh-min-nan:, zh-yue:
  • Purpose: Interwiki
  • Technical details: Update interwiki links using Pywikipediabot (constantly updated with svn) normally starting from da:, nn:, no: and sv:. It mostly runs manually assisted and I try to solve found interwiki conflicts when I can.

I know that you have no bureaucrats here who can grant bot flags, but I need consensus from the local community before I can ask for the flag at the Meta-Wiki. So please tell your opinion. Thank you! Byrial 08:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Support Aliasd 09:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. Wantok 09:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

TPI-4 Approval Clearing house

Heyas! I propose we create a Wikipedia: page that allows users to post links to their tok pisin articles specifically so a tpi-4 user can validate the pisin, and mark it as checked. This would be great for quality control and encouragement for people that save liklik pisin. Tingting? Aliasd 13:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Great idea. I've created a new template called TPreview for this. Just add this to any page: {{TPreview}} and the page will be tagged and entered into a new category called Category:Ol pes i wetim lukluk gen long stail bilong Tok Pisin. The template probably needs a bit of tweaking and slimming down yet. Cheers, Wantok 08:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC).
Nice work! em nau! Aliasd 17:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Local RfA process

Toksave: long two endym wanpela rot nau long tokorait long Wikipedia yet long husait bai kamap olsem administreta bilong dispela Wikipedia. (Just a note to advise that we now, for the first time, have a local Request for adminship process on the Tok Pisin wikipedia.) Cheers, Wantok 07:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Policies

I'll write this in English, as I believe all our active users at present have better English than Tok Pisin. I'd like to initiate a discussion about basic policies for this Wikipedia. That's a big discussion, and one that will probably continue for ever in various aspects, so I think we need a special page for it. So please make your way to Wikipedia:Ol polisi (Policies) to see the current state of proposed policies, and go to Wikipedia talk:Ol polisi to participate in discussion. Cheers, Wantok 07:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Bot status for PipepBot

Hello! I ask for permission to run my interwiki bot PipepBot here, and to get a bot flag for it.

  • Operator: it:User:Pipep
  • Purpose: Interwiki
  • Software: Pywikipedia
  • Has bot flag at: als, am, an, ar, ast, az, bat-smg, be, be-x-old, bn, bs, ca, ce, ceb, cs, cv, da, de, en, eo, et, fo, fr, frp, fur, fy, ga, gd, hr, ht, hy, id, ie, ilo, io, is, ja, ka, ksh, la, lb, li, lij, ln, lv, mk, ml, ms, nap, nds, nds-nl, nn, no, pms, rm, ro, roa-tara, ru-sib, scn, sh, simple, sl, sq, sr, su, sv, te, th, tl, udm, uk, vec, vo, wa, zea, zh-yue
  • Details: Interwiki using Pywikipediabot. It mostly runs manually assisted. May run automatically in some cases.

Thank you! --it:User:Pipep 19:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Sure, but the bot flag is not all too necessary because we still have a practically nonexsistant community. Aliasd 23:12, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Feel free to run your bot. Aliasd 23:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. Cheers, Wantok 00:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

PipepBot has now bot flag. Thank you! it:User:Pipep 14:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Wonderful! Congratulations on the contributions! Aliasd 14:33, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Tok Pisin translation for Wikipedia software

Hi all, I'm currently doing a Tok Pisin translation of the MediaWiki interface (the software that drives Wikipedia). That means that, eventually, all the navigation at top and left, and all the messages you see on pages that come from the software itself (rather than text entered by other users) will be in Tok Pisin. (However, if you're not comfortable with that, you can change your preference to English easily enough, of course).

Some of the key terms could be translated in various different ways, so I thought I'd give you a sneak preview of what terms I'm using, in case you have objections or better suggestions:

  • Article: Pes bilong buk (literally, book page). This is a tricky one, as the simplest way would be just to say pes (page), but we need to make a clear distinction between an article page and other pages. I'm not entirely happy with buk (book), but it does reinforce the idea that the "core" of the site are the article pages - i.e. the pages of the encyclopedia, the "book". A shorter variant could be buk pes. A different approach could be stori or stori pes, although that could be somewhat confusing.
  • Watchlist: Lukautbuk. Again, a bit tricky, as there's no real word for "list" in Tok Pisin. I've created this term lukautbuk as a combination of lukaut (watch, watch over) and buk (book, in the sense of a register or repository of information).
  • Move: Surikim. There are a couple of other Tok Pisin terms that could be used, like putim, suvim, or even senisim nem (change name), but surikim is clearest, I think.
  • Category: Grup. We have been using the transliteration kategori here until now, but it doesn't really exist in normal Tok Pisin, and grup (group) means the same thing, really.
  • Login: Login and Logout: Logaut. These are not current Tok Pisin words, they're just transliterations, but there's no simple term in TP to cover this - the only thing that comes close is kam insait and go ausait, but that implies that you have to login to enter/use the site. Clarity wins, so the (somewhat awkward) transliterations are probably the better option.
  • My preferences: Ol laik bilong mi. Literally, my likes or my wishes.
  • link: link. Again, just a transliteration - there's no obvious (and clear) existing Tok Pisin option here - except perhaps rot (road), but that is likely to be confusing in itself.
  • template: templet. A simple transliteration - I don't think there's any existing Tok Pisin word to adequately cover this.
  • media: media (olsem piksa). A full translation would read like "things like images, sound and video files": too long and unwieldy. While media is not particularly good Tok Pisin, I think media (olsem piksa) - literally, media (like images) - should be clear.

No doubt there will be more tricky phrases that come up as I work through it. Comments welcome. Cheers, Wantok 02:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

  • The first release of these translations was done last week. Now much of the basic navigation, and some of the on-page text, is translated into Tok Pisin. Plenty yet to be done. Comments and suggestions much appreciated. Oh, and if you prefer to navigate in English, you can go to Preferences (ol laik bilong mi) at the top, and set your language preference there. Wantok 04:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm about to request a new logo. There are a couple of ways to translate The Free Encyclopedia - such as Savebuk i fri or Buk bilong save or Haus bilong save i fri or similar, but really they all seem pretty awkward and unclear to me, so I'm proposing that the logo simply say:

Wikipedia
long Tok Pisin

Speak now or forever hold your peace :) Wantok 07:32, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

  • This also touches on a broader point - a Tok Pisin term for encyclopedia. Personally I'm averse to a straight transliteration such as ensaiklopidia, and I'm thinking that there may be no need for one - there's certainly no existing paper Tok Pisin encyclopedia, and encyclopedias are hardly a major part of PNG life generally so far. Perhaps we should just go with Wikipedia as the core term, and not try to relate to a paper encyclopedia. Thoughts? Wantok 08:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
I like ensaiklopidia and savebuk. I think mabye we can translate wiki somehow. Aliasd 00:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Of those, I'd prefer savebuk - at least it's somewhat descriptive. If we adopt that, then perhaps the logo tagline should be something like Savebuk i fri or Savebuk i op na fri (open and free). Then perhaps in the various pages describing what Wikipedia is, etc., we could use Wikipedia, and describe it as wanpela savebuk istap long intanet or similar. I think Wikipedia is a reasonable term to introduce - it doesn't fit too badly with Tok Pisin pronunciation, and it's a useful identifier, since it's the domain name. Wantok 02:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

New Users

Re really need some welcome templates for new users, and more encouragement for new users on the main page. Aliasd 02:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Brilliant idea, also, a welcome template would be good, possibly with a greeting in both Tok Pisin and Tok Inglis, to welcome new users without writing a personal greeting for all of them, I have a feeling that some of our IP users disconnect before we can greet them and encourage them to start a new account. Aliasd 00:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
  • I've created two welcome templates: {{NewIP}} for IP-address new users, and {{NewUser}} for registered new users. Each should be added with a signature following - they refer to "my talk page", i.e. the talk page of whoever leaves the template. They should probably be tweaked more - adding a link to this page, and to our intro/tutorial when that's ready. Wantok 04:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Country templates

We have three country templates which are almost identical - {{Infoboks Kantri}} (used in 0 articles), {{Infobox Countries}} (used in 0 articles) and {{Infobox Country}} (used in 8 articles). I suggest we move {{Infobox Country}} to a Tok Pisin name like Toksavebokis kantri and agree to use that on country articles. It might be good to delete the other two to avoid confusion in the Template pages list, but it's not essential. Wantok 01:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

BotMultichill

Hi, i request a bot bit for BotMultichill.

  • Botmaster : Multichill
  • Bot's name : BotMultichill
  • List of botflags on others wikipedias: about 100+ atm (see meta:User:Multichill for the current list)
  • Purpose: Interwiki (pywikipedia)
  • Technical details : BotMultichill is an interwiki bot starting at the Dutch wikipedia. The bot uses the pywikipedia framework and runs day and night in autonomous mode. Sometimes the bot will run in manual assisted mode to solve interwiki conflicts. Multichill 16:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Support Aliasd 22:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Support. Wantok 01:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Country names

Hi all, I've done a translation of the full list of country names at Ol kantri. I suggest we use this as a central point of reference for country names - if we decide to change one, let's change it on this page as well as any articles involved. Also note there is a more detailed list of countries and territories for North America at Not Amerika - no other continents have this kind of list yet. All suggestions welcome. Cheers, Wantok 06:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Media licensing

We need fair use, attribution etc templates for uploaded media. If you look at the 9 or so uploaded images, they aren't licensed. (including one I uploaded... Whoops!)

Which brings me to another point... copyright law in png! I am especially interested in this when it concerns using media owned by the png government, any ideas? Aliasd 23:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

List of articles every Wikipedia should have

The list of articles every Wikipedia should have (on meta) looks useful... perhaps we should create a local version, translating the titles (and thus linking the articles that already exist), and use this as a to-do list. Wantok (toktok) 06:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

That is a brilliant idea. Not just from a project status perspective, but from an accurate translation of page title perspective. Aliasd 09:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Also, a similar list for PNG related articles should be created. If we are interwiki linking to Tok Pisin on PNG related articles on other projects, it will draw a LOT more contributors in here! Aliasd 09:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
  • I've created an initial version here: Wikipedia:Ol pes i mas stap long Wikipedia. We should definitely add a PNG section at the top - and modify the other sections to incorporate Papua New Guinean/Melanesian topics. It should probably be turned into a table. The left column would be the existing links (which are to articles on the English Wikipedia); another column could be the Tok Pisin article names/links; and another could show the status (none, stub, etc). Wantok (toktok) 10:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Translation has begun. PLEASE NOTE: Wantok, and any other REALLY GOOD Tok Pisin speakers, please totally modify my work without discussion if you think it can be translated a better way! It is best we do this now, rather than after this place gets a bit bigger! Aliasd 15:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Contributing to the Tok Pisin Wikipedia

Hi. I'm completely new at this stuff, but I did live in PNG from 1991-1997. I'm pretty competent in TP. Would like to help. How do I get started?? I guess I'll call myself "menyama man" 23 October 2007.

  • Hi! Great to have you here. First step - create an account. Then feel free to add or fix articles. Happy to point you towards some particular places to begin if you like. If you're new to editing any Wikipedia, there are lots of good tips on editing and Wikipedia in general in the English help. Cheers, Wantok (toktok) 01:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

AlleborgoBot

Hi, i request a bot flag for AlleborgoBot

  • Operator: Alleborgo
  • Automatic or Manually Assisted: Automatic, in "-autonomous" mode. Sometimes the bot will run in manual assisted mode to solve interwiki conflicts.
  • Programming Language(s): Pywikipedia framework daily updated to the last SVN version
  • Function Summary: interwiki
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Thanks --AlleborgoBot 16:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Bot Status for Purbo T

Hi, I'd like to request a bot flag for Purbo_T (contribs)

Thank you! --Purodha Blissenbach 22:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Betawiki: better support for your language in MediaWiki

Dear community. I am writing to you to promote a special wiki called Betawiki. This wiki facilitates the localisation (l10n) of the MediaWiki interface. You may have changed many messages here to use your language in the interface, but if you would log in to for example the Japanese language Wiktionary, you would not be able to use the interface as well translated as here. In fact, of 1,736 messages in the core of MediaWiki, 5.99% of the messages have been translated. Betawiki also supports the translation of messages for 126 extensions, with 2,174 messages. Many of them are used in WMF projects and they are vital for understanding the wiki. Currently 0.00% of the WMF extension messages have been translated. Translators for over 90 languages contribute their work to MediaWiki this way every month.

If you wish to contribute to better support of your language in MediaWiki, as well as for many MediaWiki extensions, please visit Betawiki, create an account and request translator privileges. You can see the current status of localisation of your language on MediaWiki.org and do not forget to get in touch with others that may already be working on your language on Betawiki.

If you have any further questions, please let me know on my talk page on Betawiki. We will try and assist you as much as possible, for example by importing all messages from a local wiki for you to start with, if you so desire.

You can also find us on the Freenode IRC network in the channel #mediawiki-i18n where we will be happy to help you get started.

Thank you very much for your attention and I do hope to see some of you on Betawiki soon! Thanks, GerardM@Betawiki

  • Currently 9.53% of the MediaWiki messages and 0.00% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 11:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Currently 8.87% of the MediaWiki messages and 0.12% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 09:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Currently 8.88% of the MediaWiki messages and 0.15% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 14:51, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Currently 8.48% of the MediaWiki messages and 0.13% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 10:52, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Currently 8.17% of the MediaWiki messages and 0.13% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 10:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Currently 8.20% of the MediaWiki messages and 0.10% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 09:52, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Currently 8.06% of the MediaWiki messages and 0.09% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising and proof reading at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 12:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Currently 8.00% of the MediaWiki messages and 0.09% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising and proof reading at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 21:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
PS Please help us complete the most wanted messages..

The village pump

Could someome be so kind and move my contribution to your "village pump" and also, could someone please add a link to your village pump on meta ? GerardM 14:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Bot flag request for VolkovBot

Hello! I'd like to request a flag for this bot --Volkov 11:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Bot flag set --Dungodung 19:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Administration Request

Hi. I am Yusa:Iceflow, also known as Thor, from the English Wikipedia. I am notifying you that I am asking for administration permissions to this Wikipedia for the prevention of vandalism and security of the site. There is very little of an active community here, so the request will be made through Meta. If you have questions, feel free to ask me. I don't speak a LOT of Tok Pisin, but I can make myself understood if I need to! Iceflow 22:04, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Bot policy

Hello. To facilitate steward granting of bot access, I suggest implementing the standard bot policy on this wiki. In particular, this policy allows stewards to automatically flag known interlanguage linking bots (if this page says that is acceptable), which form the vast majority of such requests. The policy also enables global bots on this wiki (if this page says that is acceptable), which are trusted bots that will be given bot access on every wiki that allows global bots.

This policy makes bot access requesting much easier for local users, operators, and stewards. To implement it we only need to create a redirect to this page from Project:Bot policy, and add a line at the top noting that it is used here. Please read the text at m:Bot policy before commenting. If you object, please say so; I hope to implement in one week if there is no objection, since it is particularly written to streamline bot requests on wikis with little or no community interested in bot access requests. Carsrac 15:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Global Bot Policy has been implemented on this Wikipedia, effective 24th November 2008. Please see the notes here. This is contrary to my previous decision, as we are now getting human editors working here, and I feel it would be appropriate and useful. Thanks to Meta Steward Geimfyglid for the suggestion to set this up and to Carsrac for your original comments. Iceflow 00:12, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks I will notify the stewards and make the policy active. Carsrac 07:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Translatewiki.net update

  • Translatewiki.net formerly known as Betawiki is where the Internationalisation and Localisation of MediaWiki is concentrated. Over 300 languages are supported, issues with MediaWiki programs are dealt with. We need all the help we can get to ensure that we can maintain this service in the face of an increasing workload.
  • Currently 7.77% of the MediaWiki messages and 0.07% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising and proof reading at translatewiki.net. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 14:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
  • PS Please help us complete the most wanted messages..